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08/03/2016 12:15:00 PM
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I was surprised that Kathy McMillan didn't receive more 1st Round votes. She is very likely (in my opinion) the greatest NC HS track & field athlete ever, male or female. Name someone else from NC who won an Olympic Silver Medal just weeks after high school graduation ... and against the world's top competition from the Soviet Union and East Germany. Her national high school record in the LJ (22-3) lasted 39 years (!) She won 9 NCHSAA titles over 4 years in the LJ, 100-yards, and 220-yards. (The NCHSAA didn't add the girls' Triple Jump as an event until 2 years after McMillan graduated.) See: http://ncpreptrack.org/KMcMillan.html Anyway, congrats to all of the athletes who made the the 1st Round. You had to be truly outstanding just to make that 1st Round list!!
I was surprised that Kathy McMillan didn't receive more 1st Round votes. She is very likely (in my opinion) the greatest NC HS track & field athlete ever, male or female. Name someone else from NC who won an Olympic Silver Medal just weeks after high school graduation ... and against the world's top competition from the Soviet Union and East Germany.

Her national high school record in the LJ (22-3) lasted 39 years (!)

She won 9 NCHSAA titles over 4 years in the LJ, 100-yards, and 220-yards. (The NCHSAA didn't add the girls' Triple Jump as an event until 2 years after McMillan graduated.)

See: http://ncpreptrack.org/KMcMillan.html

Anyway, congrats to all of the athletes who made the the 1st Round. You had to be truly outstanding just to make that 1st Round list!!
08/03/2016 3:35:29 PM
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I voted for her!
I voted for her!
08/04/2016 5:54:01 AM
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DeAnne Davis won 23 NCHSAA State Championships, 3 High School Nationals and 8 Junior Olympics National Championships.. She is on NC All-Time List in TJ, LJ, 100H, 55H, 60H. Never lost to a NC athlete in the hurdles during her HS career and only 2 TJ competitions.
DeAnne Davis won 23 NCHSAA State Championships, 3 High School Nationals and 8 Junior Olympics National Championships.. She is on NC All-Time List in TJ, LJ, 100H, 55H, 60H. Never lost to a NC athlete in the hurdles during her HS career and only 2 TJ competitions.
08/04/2016 7:51:36 AM
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@dldjad DeAnne went to Cummings 1992-1996. Competed in the maximum 16 events at outdoor state championships. Won 14 individual and was on 2 relays that also won state championships. Also won 7 all-classification indoor state championships. Was state championships MVP 6 times. Ranks 1st in outdoor triple jump and 2nd indoors. Has held AAU National Record in the triple jump since 1996. Won the NSSF indoor nationals in the triple jump in 1994 and 1996. Won the outdoor nationals in 1996.
@dldjad DeAnne went to Cummings 1992-1996. Competed in the maximum 16 events at outdoor state championships. Won 14 individual and was on 2 relays that also won state championships. Also won 7 all-classification indoor state championships. Was state championships MVP 6 times. Ranks 1st in outdoor triple jump and 2nd indoors. Has held AAU National Record in the triple jump since 1996. Won the NSSF indoor nationals in the triple jump in 1994 and 1996. Won the outdoor nationals in 1996.
08/04/2016 8:17:03 AM
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I was VERY surprised that Julie Shea -- Gibbons '77, NC State, twice ACC athlete of the year before they split the category into men's and women's awards, all-American -- wasn't even on the first-round distance girls ballot. The Fraziers and Nevada Mareno are fantastic, but their careers have barely begun. Shea's 30+ year mile record -- which Wesley barely beat running in a stacked adidas Dream Mile -- needs more respect at least. That said, Ryen Frazier is amazing and deserves much praise. But Jukie Shea should not have been left off the original list.
I was VERY surprised that Julie Shea -- Gibbons '77, NC State, twice ACC athlete of the year before they split the category into men's and women's awards, all-American -- wasn't even on the first-round distance girls ballot. The Fraziers and Nevada Mareno are fantastic, but their careers have barely begun. Shea's 30+ year mile record -- which Wesley barely beat running in a stacked adidas Dream Mile -- needs more respect at least. That said, Ryen Frazier is amazing and deserves much praise. But Jukie Shea should not have been left off the original list.
08/04/2016 10:39:09 AM
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@duncanmurrell We only included athletes that currently hold a state record in the original listings. We had to set some kind of criteria to take the categories from subjective to objective, and if we opened the door to every athlete that held a state record for a long time, the lists would have been huge. My 2014 article series on transcendence covered many of those athletes. Also, I should point out that this article only focused on high school careers, not on collegiate or professional. In that sense, both Wesley and Ryen are done with that stage of their career, and Nevada has one more year.
@duncanmurrell We only included athletes that currently hold a state record in the original listings. We had to set some kind of criteria to take the categories from subjective to objective, and if we opened the door to every athlete that held a state record for a long time, the lists would have been huge. My 2014 article series on transcendence covered many of those athletes.

Also, I should point out that this article only focused on high school careers, not on collegiate or professional. In that sense, both Wesley and Ryen are done with that stage of their career, and Nevada has one more year.
08/04/2016 10:41:59 AM
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@dldjad DeAnne was amazing, but by the criteria we set for the article, she didn't make the voting. That's part of the problem with naming a "greatest" - everyone has different standards for what that means! I'm guessing that, if we went primarily by state championships rather than starting with state records, DeAnne would be right at the top.
@dldjad DeAnne was amazing, but by the criteria we set for the article, she didn't make the voting. That's part of the problem with naming a "greatest" - everyone has different standards for what that means! I'm guessing that, if we went primarily by state championships rather than starting with state records, DeAnne would be right at the top.
08/04/2016 10:47:44 AM
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@NCPrepTrack Part of that is recency bias (and the tendency of polls to become popularity contests). The other part is a subjective difference: is is better to be magnificent in one event, or to be outstanding in two? Kim was on another planet in the long jump, but she was essentially a specialist. Sydnei is the only athlete in state history to rank in the top 10 of both jumps, let alone the top 2 where she is. That kind of versatility is also great. So it's a philosophical difference, really.
@NCPrepTrack Part of that is recency bias (and the tendency of polls to become popularity contests). The other part is a subjective difference: is is better to be magnificent in one event, or to be outstanding in two? Kim was on another planet in the long jump, but she was essentially a specialist. Sydnei is the only athlete in state history to rank in the top 10 of both jumps, let alone the top 2 where she is. That kind of versatility is also great. So it's a philosophical difference, really.
08/05/2016 6:18:49 PM
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[quote=NCPrepTrack]I was surprised that Kathy McMillan didn't receive more 1st Round votes. She is very likely (in my opinion) the greatest NC HS track & field athlete ever, male or female. Name someone else from NC who won an Olympic Silver Medal just weeks after high school graduation ... and against the world's top competition from the Soviet Union and East Germany. Her national high school record in the LJ (22-3) lasted 39 years (!) She won 9 NCHSAA titles over 4 years in the LJ, 100-yards, and 220-yards. (The NCHSAA didn't add the girls' Triple Jump as an event until 2 years after McMillan graduated.) See: ncpreptrack.org/KMcMillan.html Anyway, congrats to all of the athletes who made the the 1st Round. You had to be truly outstanding just to make that 1st Round list!![/quote] @NCPrepTrack This is correct. It's not even close that she is the best NC high school track athlete ever. She is the last American high school athlete - any state, any event - to win an Olympic medal in track. SHE HELD THE NATIONAL RECORD FOR 39 YEARS!! It's the equivalent to one of the Fraziers or Cockrell setting a national record that still stands in 2050. (None of those athletes set a national record, or even ranked number one in Track & Field News for a single event for a year. And you can't say Cockrell would have if not for historic competition - Sydney McLaughlin is good, but KATHY MACMILLAN WON AN OLYMPIC SILVER MEDAL.) It's a difference of philosophy, but the philosophy that went into this was "ranking athletes who currently rank Number 1 all-time in NC without regard for how their marks stand up historically, and with a strong bias towards people I interviewed." Mary Shea got nothing close to the credit she deserved. She held the national record at 2 miles for a long time, while Mareno and the Fraziers barely beat her at a time when 10:00 has become fairly common, and none of them led the nation. She was a long-time national record holder in the 5000. She STILL holds the national record for 10,000 meters. Ranking any of the girls from the last five years ahead of her because their times were slightly faster is like saying Graham Crawford is a better miler than Roger Bannister because he has a better PR. (No offense, Graham.)
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I was surprised that Kathy McMillan didn't receive more 1st Round votes. She is very likely (in my opinion) the greatest NC HS track & field athlete ever, male or female. Name someone else from NC who won an Olympic Silver Medal just weeks after high school graduation ... and against the world's top competition from the Soviet Union and East Germany.

Her national high school record in the LJ (22-3) lasted 39 years (!)

She won 9 NCHSAA titles over 4 years in the LJ, 100-yards, and 220-yards. (The NCHSAA didn't add the girls' Triple Jump as an event until 2 years after McMillan graduated.)

See: ncpreptrack.org/KMcMillan.html

Anyway, congrats to all of the athletes who made the the 1st Round. You had to be truly outstanding just to make that 1st Round list!!


@NCPrepTrack This is correct. It's not even close that she is the best NC high school track athlete ever.
She is the last American high school athlete - any state, any event - to win an Olympic medal in track.
SHE HELD THE NATIONAL RECORD FOR 39 YEARS!! It's the equivalent to one of the Fraziers or Cockrell setting a national record that still stands in 2050. (None of those athletes set a national record, or even ranked number one in Track & Field News for a single event for a year. And you can't say Cockrell would have if not for historic competition - Sydney McLaughlin is good, but KATHY MACMILLAN WON AN OLYMPIC SILVER MEDAL.)

It's a difference of philosophy, but the philosophy that went into this was "ranking athletes who currently rank Number 1 all-time in NC without regard for how their marks stand up historically, and with a strong bias towards people I interviewed."

Mary Shea got nothing close to the credit she deserved. She held the national record at 2 miles for a long time, while Mareno and the Fraziers barely beat her at a time when 10:00 has become fairly common, and none of them led the nation. She was a long-time national record holder in the 5000. She STILL holds the national record for 10,000 meters.
Ranking any of the girls from the last five years ahead of her because their times were slightly faster is like saying Graham Crawford is a better miler than Roger Bannister because he has a better PR. (No offense, Graham.)
08/05/2016 8:02:27 PM
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that was also my reasoning for voting for mcmillan - i also thought shea would have gotten more votes also
that was also my reasoning for voting for mcmillan - i also thought shea would have gotten more votes also
08/05/2016 11:20:01 PM
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After tonight, maybe I should back off on Graham Crawford.
After tonight, maybe I should back off on Graham Crawford.
08/06/2016 12:06:37 AM
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Thanks @RocketRunning for agreeing with me that Kathy McMillan deserves strong consideration in any discussion of North Carolina's "Greatest Of All Time" (G.O.A.T). Yes, DeAnne Davis (Cummings) won 14 2-A Outdoor individual titles (plus 2 on relays) to total an incredible 16 NCHSAA Outdoor tiles in 4 years. And she also won 7 All-Classification Indoor titles, for an incredible total of 23 NCHSAA State Championships. Add her National HS Titles plus National JO Titles ... NO doubt she's among North Carolina's best-ever! McMillan (1973-1976) never ran indoor track (the NCHSAA didn't add it as a girls sport until 1987), and the outdoor triple jump wasn't added for girls until 1978. McMillan won (outdoors) as a Freshman LJ; Soph: LJ, 220y; Junior LJ, 100, 220, Senior LJ [21-7 state rec.], 100, 220. (The NCHSAA didn't add the girls' Triple Jump as an event until 2 years after McMillan graduated.) Hoke County HS won the 4x200 in '74, '75, '76, and the 4x100 in '76, plus the 4x400 in '73 and '74, but NCPrepTrack has never been able to find the names of the winning relay teams members. So McMillan *may* have won additional NCHSAA titles in relays events that we aren't aware of. As for Julie and Mary Shea... The Frazier sisters and Nevada Mareno have run faster than the Shea sisters did over 3200 (and for the 1600 for the most part). But the sheer number of years (decades!) that several of Mary's records lasted, deserve her consideration as among NC's best ever. See: http://ncpreptrack.org/mshea.html http://ncpreptrack.org/jshea.html Julie was named ACC Athlete of the Year TWICE (1980 & 1981) before a seperate ACC Women's Athlete of the Year Award was begun in 1990. As far as "high-shool plus after-high-school-greatness" Mike Shea (father of Julie and Mary and past NC State Cross Country Coach) ..who is now in his 80s ... has shared with me that that Mary was really the more talented of the Shea sisters. That's facinating .. considering their various HS/College/post-college careers. Speaking of talent ... I want to share a link to a good article on perhaps the most talented/gifted track & field athlete of all time: http://www.si.com/olympics/houston-mctear-sprinter-records-olympics-nine-seconds
Thanks @RocketRunning for agreeing with me that Kathy McMillan deserves strong
consideration in any discussion of North Carolina's "Greatest Of All Time" (G.O.A.T).

Yes, DeAnne Davis (Cummings) won 14 2-A Outdoor individual titles (plus 2 on relays)
to total an incredible 16 NCHSAA Outdoor tiles in 4 years.

And she also won 7 All-Classification Indoor titles, for an incredible total of 23 NCHSAA State Championships. Add her National HS Titles plus National JO Titles ... NO doubt she's among North Carolina's best-ever!

McMillan (1973-1976) never ran indoor track (the NCHSAA didn't add it as a girls sport until 1987), and the outdoor triple jump wasn't added for girls until 1978.

McMillan won (outdoors) as a Freshman LJ; Soph: LJ, 220y; Junior LJ, 100, 220, Senior LJ , 100, 220.

(The NCHSAA didn't add the girls' Triple Jump as an event until 2 years after McMillan graduated.)

Hoke County HS won the 4x200 in '74, '75, '76, and the 4x100 in '76, plus the
4x400 in '73 and '74, but NCPrepTrack has never been able to find the names of the winning relay teams members. So McMillan *may* have won additional NCHSAA titles in relays events that we aren't aware of.

As for Julie and Mary Shea...

The Frazier sisters and Nevada Mareno have run faster than the Shea sisters did over 3200
(and for the 1600 for the most part). But the sheer number of years (decades!) that several of Mary's records lasted, deserve her consideration as among NC's best ever.

See:

http://ncpreptrack.org/mshea.html

http://ncpreptrack.org/jshea.html

Julie was named ACC Athlete of the Year TWICE (1980 & 1981) before a seperate ACC Women's Athlete of the Year Award was begun in 1990.

As far as "high-shool plus after-high-school-greatness"

Mike Shea (father of Julie and Mary and past NC State Cross Country Coach) ..who is now in his 80s ... has shared with me that that Mary was really the more talented of the Shea sisters. That's facinating .. considering their various HS/College/post-college careers.

Speaking of talent ... I want to share a link to a good article on perhaps the most talented/gifted track & field athlete of all time:

http://www.si.com/olympics/houston-mctear-sprinter-records-olympics-nine-seconds

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