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I don't understand how some runners in the girls 300 go into the state meet with a time that was over the 44.0 in the 1a/2a/3a meet? I had a girl who was just .2 away from hitting the standard in the 500 and she did not qualify?

@ukjayd10 They ran 43.9 or 44.0, but when you have a list that combines both hand times and FAT, the rule book says you must add 0.24 to the hand times. This allows for fairer seeding of the races, since hand times are almost invariably faster than FAT (just watch the times put up by hand-timed runners when they get to the state meet). Therefore, a time of 44.14 or 44.24 is a converted hand time of 43.9 or 44.0.

Since a hand time of 44.0 is considered the same as an FAT time of 44.24, then it wouldn't be fair to exclude FAT times between 44.00 and 44.24 (those times are very likely faster than a 44.0). Thus, when you have a standard that is geared to hand times, like the 44,0 for the girls 300, the effective FAT standard is 44.24.

Just looking at the pictures from Boston on NC Prep. In photo 7, the runner is within the exchange zone but in the infield when he hands the baton off. Is that legal? Just want to know for future.
Still waiting for the Page relay time to be corrected.

@plegnetti Coach, remind me which meet that was again. I'm having a hard time finding the updated mark. You can contact Chris Lassiter directly to make the change as well, as I have handed off the meets to their respective directors.

Thanks for the reply regarding the reason a girl qualified for an event even though they ran slower than the standard. I have a runner that ran Saturday with a 124.2 in the 500 which wast FAT timed should she have qualified?

@ukjayd10 By writing "1:24.2" I assume it was a hand time from outdoors? If so, it is definitely not a qualifier. If it was an FAT time of 1:24.20, then you have an argument. I can tell you this: I only applied conversions to the 55 and 300 this winter (it will be everything 400 and down in the spring). The difference between a hand time and an FAT time is huge in the 55, but it is negligible in the 3200 (especially in light of the different track sizes involved, which have a much bigger effect on performance). It just makes things much simpler to have one standard for the longer events, rather than separate indoor/outdoor or FAT/hand standards. Could you put the 500 in with the 300 and the 55 and apply conversions? Certainly, just as you could call it the "500 Dash" when technically the term "run" is generally applied to events above 400.

In short, if that was an FAT time, you could make your argument to the meet director.

ukjayd10

Thanks for the reply regarding the reason a girl qualified for an event even though they ran slower than the standard. I have a runner that ran Saturday with a 124.2 in the 500 which wast FAT timed should she have qualified?

@ukjayd10 That athlete does not qualify for the state meet by either standard (and they are the same for indoors and outdoors). By your logic, there were two young ladies who finished 1:24.19 and 1:24.21 (both times FAT) on Saturday and they should be entered. There was also a 1:24.35 the previous week that should also qualify (It's close enough, isn't it?).

The standard is 1:24.00 and below (not 1:24.00 and anything close!). Why have a standard if we are not going to adhere to it?

I understand the comments however how do you justify 4 girls getting in the 300 with time above 44.0?

My comments regarding my runner running a 124.2 and not qualifying is in regard to CoachGoergeRJR's comment about allowing girls who ran a 44.2 in the 300 to qualify. I am just a little confused? If the qualifying time for the 300 is 44.0 should that be the cut off? Please look at this earlier post.

@coach_eazy The standard is 1:24.0, not 1:24.00. Where the standards are listed only to the tenths place, doesn't that imply that they are hand-timed standards? Therefore, we should be accepting FAT times up to 1:24.24. Someone who runs 1:24.21FAT is FASTER than someone who runs 1:24.0 HT, so why wouldn't we accept the 1:24.21FAT?

@ukjayd10
I was thinking the same thing about the 4A Boys 300. Why is 35.9 used both in inside and outside meets if the outside meet will be given the additional .24? That should make a 36.14 qualifying on an indoor track.

I agree which is why I am trying to get my runner who ran the 124.21 in the meet. Who do I contact about this?