In 3A girls, both West Henderson and North Buncombe beat Marvin Ridge at Wendy's so those teams should be ahead of them. Also, West ran without their #5 and North Buncombe is still nursing injuries on two key runners making their way back in the top 7. If healthy, North Buncombe would be much better. When you compare times from the Wendy's races, both Jay M. Robinson and Hickory Ridge beat Orange in the girls category and should be ranked higher than Orange. In 3A boys, Forestview is better than 10th in the state and made a very good showing at Wendy's.
Watauga boys dont even get a vote?
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Western runners don't get much respect until they show up at State and do some damage. There are some 1A and 2A teams and individuals getting overlooked also. Some of their problem is lack of posted results and tougher/slower courses that they run on. The only races that matter nowadays any way are Regionals for qualification and State (the Biggie). Rankings mean nothing. If I were a HS runner now, I wouldn't even want to be on the list until after the last race. Nothing like being an underdog getting chased.
East Wilkes girls will be much higher at the end of the season when the whole team runs at a meet. I've noticed that their #2 has not been running as much, but will bump them up the list later. They have 2 good young runners also. I'd say definitely in the top 5 of 1A girls' teams.
Wow, on the 1A boys, someone gave Robbinsville a first place vote. They look like a fine strong team, but unless there are a bunch of lower times for their runners missing from MileSplit, I don't see how they can give Lake Norman Charter and NCSSM a run for the 1A State Championship, but hey, that's why they run the races and we can debate the rankings.
I would rather see a hypothetical meet rankings than any polls. I will wait and see what actually happens at the state meets....
Here we go again. Everybody is forgetting about EAST LINCOLN Boys Just like last year.I don't think they will be Carrboro, but they will be a team to watch.
In all honesty, I don't understand the complaints about the Coaches' Polls. They have absolutely no effect on how runners perform when it matters (States).
I've been on a team that was ranked #1 in 1A all season until the day before the State Meet, and we finished 2nd. Last season, my team was not in the top ten in the Pre-Season poll. We were unranked. We were predicted to finish 4th in the State Championship Poll. Guess what? We finished first. Rankings mean nothing.
The rankings do mean something because it shows who the coaches believe are the best teams during the season at the given time of voting. There will always be debates as to who should be where, but at the end of the year, watch how these rankings play out. Count on Green Hope girls in 4A, Cardinal Gibbons or Chapel Hill girls in 3A and Carrboro girls in 2A to win state titles. So those rankings are really very accurate and unless injuries enter in, the teams just mentioned are the heavy favorites. On the boys side, other than Chapel Hill for 3A, those state races should be closer and competitive, especially 4A boys. Of all the teams currently ranked, the one team most affected by injuries that I know of is the North Buncombe girls in 3A. That girls team would be right up there at the top competing strongly with Gibbons and Chapel Hill for the 3A title if they were all healthy.
The hypothetical rankings show up every day in the rankings. Take a look at the rankings and it scores all the runners in teams in each classification.
This poll takes that into account but also when people ran those times, where they were run, who coaches think are rising to the top, etc.
It's entertaining to see the same people complain about the polls each time one is released. Obviously they matter somewhat if people are still looking at them and taking their time to comment.
I thought the coaches did a real nice job this week with their voting.
Robbinsville's boys have been dominating some races up in the mountains and no, their times won't show it due to location, but they will be tough.
What is great about the poll is exactly what was just said, it shows who the coaches think are running well right now. Are there sleepers? Of course, everyone doesn't submit times to Milesplit. There are teams that were in the early rankings, like Princeton's boys, who have 0 times this season.
Both of what Coach Hovis and dcfilms is true. I wasn't really looking at it from that perspective, but I enjoy reading the comments in the coaches' poll and seeing how teams are ranked. Most of the time, the rankings are pretty close, especially if a lot of performances are available to look at (3A and 4A). Complaints bring insight on how well other teams are doing. I didn't mean to say that the rankings meant nothing. Sorry about that.
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When I say the polls don't mean anything it doesn't mean that I don't like them. They are always interesting to look at. I think they are a much more accurate representation of the bigger schools. The 1A/2A schools seem to often be misrepresented every year - especially the western schools. I've seen schools picked based on past performance and not their current situation. It was comical last year at times when schools would consistently show up in the top 10 that didn't even have 5 runners to score. The far west and far east schools are terrible at posting conference times, so you never quite know what is coming out of those regions until the Regionals are run. My point to my athletes is always that rankings don't mean that you can't overcome them. They might, in fact, mean that you have a bigger target on your backs. I'd rather be off the radar and surprise than to be at the top and disappoint. Now if you can accept the challenge and the pressure then that is a totally different ballgame. The final race always has to be run, and it has to be run on common ground under the same conditions. Getting all of your runners to the end of the season uninjured and peaking at the right time is quite a challenge. Some teams handle the pressures better than others, and often things just don't come together at the right time. Sure there are teams and individuals that may have a better chance, but until that race is run, I don't advise counting anyone out. In our sport, every team gets a free ride to the regionals. Watch behind you from that point on; some don't run 100% until that part of the season hits. Watch for surprises. Exciting competition is coming.
HWPixHendWow, on the 1A boys, someone gave Robbinsville a first place vote. They look like a fine strong team, but unless there are a bunch of lower times for their runners missing from MileSplit, I don't see how they can give Lake Norman Charter and NCSSM a run for the 1A State Championship, but hey, that's why they run the races and we can debate the rankings.
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Aaaaaaahhhhh! Now you did it. This should get the debate about who is and who isn't a real NC 1A school stated again.

Good, things were getting a bit boring around here.......:) LOL
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We have to argue it at least once per season (month even).
pnurmiHere we go again. Everybody is forgetting about EAST LINCOLN Boys Just like last year.I don't think they will be Carrboro, but they will be a team to watch.
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East Lincoln could certainly do well at the state meet, but they have to get there first. The 2A West region is shaping up to be very competitive. The fifth place team there could easily finish in the top 10 at state - they just won't have the opportunity to do so. It's all going to be determined by how each team's 4 and 5 runners perform on the 30th at Jackson Park.
Robbinsville is good!
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The coaches did a very good job with the polls this week the one change i would have made would be to put forrestview about 2 better in 3a boys they ran really well at Wendys and if theyre 4 and 5 can improve then they could compete with the better 3a teams at the state meet. I also agree that 4a boys is shaping up to be a very exciting and unpredictable state meet
robbinsville and lake norman charter both have identical teams!!! they are two teams who both have 6 strong runners who will battle it out at the state meet. There is no way you can predict the winner now... but with the state course being as hilly as it is the mountain boys have an advantage.
Robbinsville definitely looks for real with those times (Ben, can they get input so they show up in the rankings?) and obviously Lake Norman Charter will be right there, but, IMO, you would be silly to write off NCSSM as they are currently (without the recent Robbinsville times) a close second to LNC in the time rankings (and in the coach's poll). A quick estimate I did says they will stay 2nd in the time rankings even with the new Robbinsville times. They probably go at least six (maybe eight) deep also and two of their top five (including their top runner) are still 20 seconds off their PRs as they either come back off an injury or just haven't peaked yet. Oh, and 4 of those top 5 are Juniors......
It should be fun!
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tathams ...not sure I would consider Beeson Park to be "hilly". Course seemed to be one of the flatter courses that we (Lake Norman Charter) have run all year. There are some sneaky elevation changes, but overall seemed relatively level. We ran it twice last year and will run it three times this year. (our Regional is held there) Our kids loved the changes and as a parent...it is probably the most spectator-friendly course around. Kudos to those who made the changes.
The polls are interesting, not important for coaches. They are really meaningless in the big scheme of things as far as the student athletes are concerned. They truly understand that this is only one part of their high school experience and what matters in this sport season is getting out of regionals and on to state. Pick them up and put them down faster than the other runner. It's not more complicated than that. The adults standing watching our athletes would be well served to keep this mind.
I think this poll underrates Tabor's boys. Their pack was wicked at Wendy's. An 11-second 1-5 split according to their PR's! And their 6th is right with Northwest Guilford's 5th, and better than Reagan's 5th right now.
The Midwest 4A is shaping up to be pretty strong with Reagan, Tabor, and Northwest ranked 2, 4, 5 in the Milesplit cumulative rankings. The girls' side is tough, too, especially for individuals.
6 of the top 11 in the newest 3A poll are from the MW region. That;s going to be a tough regional.
NCISAA clarification.......High Point Christian Academy has moved to 3A. We would have liked to have had one more year in 1A/2A. It has been a good year with very young team. Look out for HPCA in the future. See you in Asheville. Does anyone have any hotel suggestions?
Why are we getting all worked up about the Coaches Poll...once the BCS rankings come out it is all irrelevant,....right?
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Note to self...fans of XC, not big fans of attempted humor!
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Caught it, but second time thru - did laugh
This one even better.